Combined Armed Forces Federation UK


The Federation has completed its Researched Report into the failure by this Government to recognise and pay the Occupational Pensions and Gratuities for the accrued years of service due to members of the Armed Forces serving prior to 1975. This is the only such Report in existence.

The Federation has established the total cost to the Government to satisfy the above, and has circulated its full Report to all Members of Parliament. It is most important therefore, that all ex members of the Armed Forces serving prior to 1975, including any present day widows of service personnel, are registered with the Federation to ensure inclusion in any settlement. Additionally, representations have been placed before the Prime Minister, and his Government, calling on him to address this injustice immediately.

Meanwhile our case is before London solicitors, experienced in the field of challenging HM Government over injustices relating to the Armed Forces. They are currently seeking further guidance from our Secretary General (December 2015) If you wish to register your accrued years of service towards an Occupational Pension, and Gratuity to be taken into account, please forward your details via the "Membership" section of this website. The Combined Armed Forces Federation UK (CAFF UK) is now the only organisation seeking reparations on behalf of pre-1975 leavers - your support and the support given by current members, on your behalf, is greatly appreciated


18th January 2018


Friends and colleagues, this is a worthy cause for one of our Veterans and I trust that you will be able to share it amongst your contacts.
Thank you, on behalf of all Veterans .

Chris Watkin - Acting Chairman


21st December 2017


Once again, I write to thank you all, for your support, over the past year and for the patience you continue to exercise during this marathon task we are undertaking.

Some indication of the efforts expended on your behalf have been evidenced in the correspondence and notes which we have copied to this website. I hope that you are encouraged to see that  we do not rest! However, I do understand that there are long gaps, at times, and this is usually when we are trying to seek information from the House of Commons Library, the MOD or individual Politicians. Needless to say they do not get too excited about replying to us!

The issue being raised from last year concerning the reasons why the Armed Forces were excluded from the Social Security Acts of 1973 & 1975 still require answering. You may recall that provision to transfer pension service in one occupation to other pensionable occupations was enshrined in these Acts. So far as we can ascertain, this requirement was met in all other fields, except the Armed Services! I can refer to my own experience where the pension contributions from very different occupations were swept up into my final salary pension, Should you have been in various pensionable occupations, it nay be worth checking that all such service has been accounted for.

A surprising feature was unearthed this year, where a Member (14 yrs service) was told that the non-contributory allocation recorded against his service was not eligible for a pension, but that these contributions were transferred to the SERPS element of his national pension. This surprised us. Suffice it to say, that there is no evidence of any such payment on his national pension record and so HMRC have been asked to clarify. Needless to say, I have made a similar enquiry myself through HMG Pensions Office.  The outcomes of these enquiries will be reported to you, once we receive a reply. Don't hold your breath! But please let us know if you have experienced any similar correspondence with the MOD or HMG (see my email address below).

On behalf of all Members, I would like to record the undying efforts of our Secretary General (David Robson) who continues to spend  large amounts of his time pursuing various government departments and a variety of MPs. I would also like to record our thanks to Alanna who has been of great assistance to David throughout the year. Alanna has become a key member of the team as David's lengthening years are proving to be a hindrance, at times.

Those of you who have changed subscriptions to the £2 per month by Standing Order arrangement have been a great help to out Treasurer (Paul) because this has reduced the administration, enormously. Please complete the Standing Order Form under the Membership area, if you have not already done so, or write to me to request a copy, if that is easier - it really does help. I am pleased to report that our financial position remains steady but, as you might expect, returns on investments are poor. I am discussing alternatives with the Secretary General and other members of the Executive Committee. Please do tell ex colleagues about our organisation and do encourage them to join.

Meanwhile, we have been active in recruiting supporters for the petition designed to call a halt to what seems to be the HMG's intention to integrate our Military with the EU Defence Force. Shock.! Horror!

Please check this out here: Petition -please support our lads & lassies


Thanks to the initial support we received, it seems as though the original intentions have been halted, although there is an indication that the MOD (and unCivil Service) are still working on a revised plan. Currently, I am in correspondence with Earl Howe, Minister of Defence, on this matter. Anyone interested can write to me for copy correspondence.​
Finally I hear that many of you are struggling with health issues and so I do hope that things look up for you in the year ahead, and that you will be able to look to the longer days now beginning to dawn.

​Please be encouraged, and let us have any copy correspondence with your MP, relevant to our claim​.

​Thanks again for your support and Merry Christmas!​ to you and your family.

​Chris WatkinActing ChairmanThe Combined Armed Forces Federation UK​


Caroline Dinenage MP House of Commons LONDON SW1A 0AA
23rd November ‘17

Dear Caroline Dinenage.

Enclosure: Cabinet Office letter dated 16th May 2017.
References: Your letter dated 2nd August 2016 with extract from Command 545 (Grigg Committee)
1958. Your letter dated March 2017 enclosing copy of letter dated 3rd March 2017 from Mr
Ben Gummer MP. My letter to you dated 15th September 2016.
Thank you for your letter, Reference 2 above.

1.With reference to the enclosure of the Cabinet office letter dated 16th may 2017. There is no difference in principle between our claims and those of Regina.v.Savundra and Walker of Fire Auto Marine Insurance Company who were found guilty of gross fraud on appeal in 1968.

2.The monies paid in Premiums to their Insurance Company were unable to meet insurance claims because they had been used by S and W to finance their own lavish lifestyles. When the Government failed to pay the Armed Forces Occupational Pensions from 1990 onwards Government Ministers and Treasury Mandorins paid out on Politicians expenses and Foreign visits together with Pomp and Ceremony instead. This amounted to gross fraud in relation to Armed Forces Pensions payments.

You may be aware that it was this kind of Political corruption which prompted Oliver Cromwell in the 17th Century to dismiss Parliament and Politicians and rule the country as a Lord Protector instead for five years before he died in 1658.

It is 10 years now since I first made you aware of our legitimate claims to Occupational Pensions. Successive Governments including yours now have also failed to recognise and pay our Members Pensions since we started to retire in the 1990’s. (See Cabinet Office letter enclosed and dated 16th May 2017). This Cabinet Office letter confirms as did Mr Callaghan in the early 1960’s when he was Minister of Defence, that the low level of Armed Forces pay had to be considered in relation to the Pensions they received. What he omitted to say and must have known, was that according to the Pension Scheme rules at the time 90% of the Armed Forces would not qualify for an Occupational Pension anyway!

In the letter at ref 1 you referred to how we might progress our claims since the letter detailed the very essence of why we have a legitimate claim to Occupational Pensions. I brought this matter to your attention in 2008! Subsequent to this letter you were requested to give our Federation an assurance on at least four occasions for the benefit of our Members that you would progress our claims as you stated at the start of this letter. Four times you failed to do so. You are the Principal and your Secretary is your Agent and not your self appointed Deputy MP for your information! Please ensure I do not have to repeat this advice. I have a right to expect you to sign all your letters to me and not your Secretary.

Subsequent to the above in reference 3 we suggested how we thought our claims could be progressed by requesting the Prime Minister to set up an independent Departmental Committee to liaise and supervise, as necessary, with the Chancellor of the Exchequer and Treasury together with the Civil Service and MOD, for the implementation and payment of our Pension entitlements as a matter of urgency. You made no response to this letter or took any similar or alternative action.

3. Now you have added your signature to the letter in reference 2 from Mr Gummer M.P. In doing so you have confirmed you never had any intention of progressing our legitimate Pension claims in the first place. Once again your condolences are totally out of order again and your prevarication over the last eight years has cost some of our Members their lives in the meantime and without any recognition of the service they gave this country in their retirement! Bogus asylum claimants have been much better served in the meantime.

Despite our legitimate claims to Occupational Pensions our Members are the only 20th Century employees not to have benefited from Occupational Pensions in both the Public and Private domain during their years in retirement. All early attempts by Government Ministers at Duplicity suggests that the Armed Forces were no different from many other Public and Private employees who had no access to Occupational Pensions. When challenged to name them they were unable to do so because there are none! This was confirmed by our own research! This despite the Governments directives and intention to ensure they would be given parity with Civil Service Pensions as retired Civil Servants. This amounts to a total neglect of the Duty of Care we are owed and Gross Fraud since the 1990’s. Now the Prime Minister claims to be Governing in the interests of “One and All”! But not on the interests of yesterdays Armed Forces apparently! The Prime Minister also claimed the Conservative Party values the Armed Forces. History proves this is incorrect to date.

The best years of our retirements have now been lost to our Members and our children in terms of foreign holidays and cruises. Compare this with what Civil Service Occupational Pensions have been able to afford in terms of the purchase of Foreign property etc. Now our members are all in their Eighties even the purchase of adjustable beds and chairs along with mobility scooters for getting about are unaffordable without our pensions.

As regards retrospection Mr Gummer refers to. You know as well as we do and Mr Gummer knows, this has been brought about by successive Governments and now yours by ignoring the implementation requirement of the 1958 Government. If this is not an example of the neglect of a duty of care towards the Armed Forces and duplicity we don’t know what is!

4 . As Anthony Sampson points out in his publication “Who runs this Place?” - His insight into Political thinking with reference to “Pensions Funds”, he quotes-
“And the people who run them have developed their own priorities and interests which have become very different from the interests of Policy holders.” The MOD, Robert Maxwell, Sir Philip Green etc for example!
As for Mr Gummers claims that our Pensions would be a claim on the Taxpayers this is yet another pack of lies, false pretences, and duplicity! He knows as well as we do there is no such thing as a “Free Lunch” where Pensions Funds are concerned.—See Cabinet Office letter dated 16th May 2017 in Enclosure 1.
You have become known as Caroline Duplicity M.P instead of Caroline Dinenage M.P. You are also the Third member of your Conservative Party as its M.P. for this Constituency to treat the Armed Forces with utter contempt.

Yours Sincerely
David Robson Secretary General CAFF UK
Copies to the Prime Minister and copies to the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Now this might not be the end of Our Pensions claims on the Government, And it might not be the beginning of the end of Our Pension Claims on the Government. But it is perhaps the end of the beginnings of Our Claims.

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18th December 2017


One of our Members has reported being promised an Army Pension when he left the service in 1973 (14 yrs service) when he reached the age of 55yrs.

At that age he contacted the Department of Work & Pensions and was informed that the rules had changed and that he would now receive his pension when he reached 60yrs of age.
At age 60yrs he contacted them again, and was told that his pension would now be paid at 65yrs of age.
At age 65ys, the Veterans Agency told him that the rules had changed in 1975 and that he would no longer receive a pension BUT, that the MOD had transferred money to SERPS to buy back the relevant time related to his pension.

I am sure that Members will agree that this is a scandalous state of affairs! If this was a commercial operation (eg Banks and the PPI scandal) there would be a national outcry.

Suffice it to say that our Member has now written to HMRC to ask how much was paid into SERPS by the MOD and where, most importantly, is that to be found in his records?  So far as I am aware SERPS contributions qualified for additional payments on top of any national pension allocation. Subsequently we hope that the outcome may well be an increase in his national pension.

This could well result in a serious embarrassment for HMRC.

As a consequence, I have also written to enquire where my transferred SERPS contributions are.  

If you recall any similar stories in relation to your own enquiries, PLEASE write to me with an account of your experiences at this address:   

Chris Watkin
Acting Chairman


November 28th 2017


Whilst the Government fills the news media with reports on the Brexit negotiations, senior Cabinet Ministers have been attending discussions about integrating our Defence Forces with the other 27 members of the EU. Yes - I said - INTEGRATING!

Michael Fallon - then Secretary of State for Defence - was present at a PESCO Meeting in Latvia in September. (PESCO - Permanent Structural Co-operation) where Ministers were advised that they had until the end of November to sign up the proposal. Subsequently, the item was on the Agenda at a Cabinet Meeting, but with no papers issued, and with a media blackout on the subject, preventing any public debate. It is more than likely that, after reading this note, you will know more about the subject than your MP!

Thereafter, on Monday the 13th November (this week), Boris Johnson, Foreign Secretary, attended the EU Council Meeting (a follow up meeting) where 24 of the 28 signed up to the integration of their Defence Forces So far, we are told that he did not sign, but that his role was one of a watching brief. We understand that the only thing preventing the British Government from signing up, is the strength of the Change.Org Petition which, the time of writing had over 12,000 signatures.  We have just received confirmation that the ONLY reason why the British Government DID NOT hand over our military forces to Brussels on Monday is because we embarked on this #PESCOGATE Campaign.  The paperwork had been completed but not handed over..... 

We know that many of you will want to support this petition and we strongly urge you to pass it on to all your friends and military connections. Petition


Regardless of the temporary stall, we understand the Civil Service are, none the less, preparing for Military Integration, with NO Parliamentary Debate and NO Royal Assent - an Act of Treason, no less! Our lads and lassies have fought long and hard for our Sovereignty and our Freedom, as did our forefathers - they deserve better. We must stand by them, now! 

Take the Poll:

Meanwhile, you should be raising questions with your MP (a letter template is available from: It seems that most MPs are unaware of the critical decisions being prepared for our Armed Forces without their knowledge - and without your permission!

Chris Watkin
Acting Chairman: The Combined Armed Forces Federation UK.

Many thanks.

Best regards                                                                                  
Chris Watkin
Mobile: 07940 877465     


Rt. Hon. Gavin Williamson MP.
Ministry of Defence


Dated: November 6th 2017

Dear Minister of Defence,
Cabinet Office letter dated 26th May 2017.
Letter to Lt. Gen. Richard Nugee CBE dated 15th September 2016.

Please note there appears to be some confusion over the actual date of enclosure 1) but the content is the same.
Also please note a copy of this letter and contents dated 24th October 2017 was sent to Rt Hon Sir Michael Fallon MP just before he resigned as Minister of Defence recently.

Ref Enclosure1.
Could you please provide the following information at your earliest convenience.
With reference to the Cabinet Office letter dated 26th May 2017.
Please provide information regarding the level of Notional Contributions paid by the Armed Forces Personnel serving prior to 1975 (In the form of Reduced Salaries) to cover the provision of Armed Forces Pensions and how this Notional Contribution was calculated for salary reduction purposes and how was it adjusted for changes in external factors e.g. Inflation?

Ref Enclosure 1.
With reference to introducing “Interchange rules” subsequent Governments had a “Duty of Care” in order to introduce them later. Please explain why they did not do so.

Ref Enclosure 1.
Where was the Armed Forces Pensions Management Department located?
Was the department staffed by Members of the Armed Forces or by Civil Servants? Please state how many of each are applicable.
What knowledge and experience of Pension Management Schemes did they have?
Did they have responsibility for establishing and updating Notional Contributions for Salary Adjustments over time?
What records of Notional Contributions adjustments were made?
How did they inform Members of the Armed Forces when they were entitled to an Occupational Pension and what records of payments were made in the same way as the Civil Service Occupational Pension Scheme Payments.
What was the name and rank of the last Head of the Department pre 1975?
Who did the H.O. Department report to?

Ref Enclosure 2.
Please provide an update for the state of our enquires forwarded to the M.O.D. by Caroline Dinenage M.P. as dated?

Urgent replies will be much appreciated Thanking you for your kind attention.

Yours Sincerely,

David Robson
Secretary General
The Combined Armed Forces Federation UK (CAFF UK)

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Special Notice

(Dated 1st November 2017)

The Combined Armed Forces Federation UK. Continues to seek a “Full time –

Independent” ex Member of the Armed Forces we can financially sponsor to
stand as a

Prospective Parliamentary Candidate in a General Election.

The Federation monitors all aspects of Law and Finance as it affects all
ranks in the Armed

Forces in much the same way that the Police Federation represents
Members of the

Police Force.

Ideally candidates should have had at least ten years full time Armed
Forces experience

and perhaps Professional Qualifications in Finance and or Law and aged
30-40 years.

Applications should be in the first instance to:

David Robson

Secretary General


34 Raynes Road

Lee-on –the– Solent


PO13 9AL

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October 13th 2017


28th September 2017


In response to correspondence appearing in your columns recently, I would like to remind readers (and the MOD) of the Duty of Care and the Military Covenant understood in the relationship between the Nation and its Servicemen and Women.

The Nation should know that the MOD conveniently ignores aspects of this Covenant when it suits their purposes and MPs hide behind Civil Servants who make every attempt to avoid meeting the costs of that Covenant wherever they can. The Combined Armed Forces Federation UK ( has been fighting for the Pension Rights of pre-1975 leavers for fifteen years, all in vain. These service men and women were excluded from the nation-wide pension provisions made for all other civilian pension scheme members, because they were simply forgotten about in the Social Security Acts of 1975. As a result, soldiers of the Korean War, uprisings in Africa, the Mediterranean and the Middle East, as well as Suez, left the forces after long service of up to 20 yrs and found that no pension provision had been allocated to them, when they became 65 in the 1990s.

The Military Covenant

Soldiers will be called upon to make personal sacrifices - including the ultimate sacrifice - in the service of the Nation. In putting the needs of the Nation and the Army before their own, they forego some of the rights enjoyed by those outside the Armed Forces.
In return, British soldiers must always be able to expect fair treatment, to be valued and respected as individuals, and that they (and their families) will be sustained and rewarded by commensurate terms and conditions of service.
In the same way the unique nature of military land operations means that the Army differs from all other institutions, and must be sustained and provided for accordingly by the Nation.
This mutual obligation forms the Military Covenant between the Nation, the Army and each individual soldier; an unbreakable common bond of identity, loyalty and responsibility which has sustained the Army throughout its history. It has perhaps its greatest manifestation in the annual commemoration of Armistice Day, when the Nation keeps covenant with those who have made the ultimate sacrifice, giving their lives in action.
Sir, you will understand why we find the contents of this Covenant so often laughable, and we ask the Nation to call their MPs to account over their dereliction of duty in providing the occupational pensions promised to the pre-1975 Leavers and who were forgotten in subsequent legislation.

Yours faithfully,

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October 10th 2017



Your Federation has built up a bank deposit account over the years which we expect to be using towards the cost of legal action, eventually.

Many of you will understand that holding this money in a bank deposit to accumulate interest is proving to be unrewarding.

Accordingly, your Executive has decided to explore other options and we should like your observations before proceeding further.

Please write to me directly, or telephone, before the end of October, to request the discussion paper.

Any thoughts you may have will be appreciated.

Chris Watkin
Acting Chairman

Tel: 07940 877465



September 21st 2017

“It is the Soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech
It is the Soldier, not the campus organiser, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate
It is the Soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag”
Father Dennis Edward O’Brien USMC

And the Sailor and the Airman.
Remember the “Few” – Battle of Britain: 15th September 1940.

Chris Watkin: Acting Chairman CAFF UK

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July 29th 2017



I am writing to draw your attention to the information contained ​in the update from the Secretary General - David Robson (below)​.

The fact that the Cabinet Office has recognised that our pay was abated to take account of the provisions made for our pensions is a major development. It is something which David has claimed was stated by Prime Minister Callaghan in Parliament, when he was in office, but which has never been recognised incorrespondence with the MOD.

It was also a key fact in the Hudson & Others v The MOD and the Treasury (2003) which was rejected in the judgement - their lordships admitting their decision was based on hearsay and belief.

This questionable judgement has always frustrated our efforts to secure benefits on your behalf, and the admission by the Cabinet Office now seriously undermines the reliance which the MOD has givento this judgement, hitherto.

As such, we should be extremely grateful to David and we are now able to consider our next steps with confidence.

Please continue with your support and remember to switch your subscriptions to £2.00 per month by Standing Order.(See Membership section on the right of this page and  "How to become a Member", part way down).

Chris Watkin - Acting Chairman.

July 7th 2017



Update and Treasurers Report 2017.

As Members will appreciate the recent General Election and Following fiasco over the consequences was enough to throw a “Spanner in the works” of the present Political situation. Even so there could be a Leadership Challenge to the Prime Minister who is also the First Lord of the Treasury of course, or even another General Election. In addition there are the initial complications of the “Brexit” negotiations to add further confusion if we submitted our Occupational Pension claims at present. If that was not enough there is now the present distraction of the “Grenville Towers Tragedy” for the Government to sort out.

This leads our Federation to the conclusion that any Report we submitted at present is unlikely to receive the substantial attention it demands. The good news is that we have a statement from the Cabinet office confirming that “Notional Adjustments” to pay levels were made for Occupational Pensions purposes during our service time. This confirms what Mr Callaghan stated in the early 1960’s as Minister of Defence that—Armed Forces Pay Levels had to be considered in relation to the Pensions they received! “We now have legal confirmation his statement was correct that pay levels in the Armed Forces were being abated. This was in order to provide Occupational Pensions on Retirement or Contributions re-invested when they left the Service. According to the Social Security and Pensions Act 1975. These contributions should have been refunded to the Employees in order to re-invest in alternative Occupational Schemes if they so wished, or the Occupational Pension Schemes of any new employers.

Treasurers Report for 2017.

Our Current Account is with the Santander Account which does not attract “Interest” on deposits but our Savings Account with Barclays Bank does. It was therefore decided during the year to transfer £9000 from the Santander Account to the Barclays Savings Account instead. This has now left us with some £5000 in our Santander current account in order to cover any ongoing expenses likely to arise as in previous years.

Otherwise Our finances remain the same as last year less expenses. Members who may wish to receive copies of the accounts may do so as usual by request to the Secretary General quoting your Membership number.

The submission of Our final Occupational Pensions claims which is ongoing still will go ahead once the present Political situation is clarified. This will delay matter now until the Autumn at least judging by the present progress.

Our many thanks to Our Membership for your continued support in the meantime.
With kind regards to one and all.

David Robson,

Secretary General CAFF UK

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25 May 2017

I think the reason why the Armed Forces Pensions were not subject to the 1973 and 1975 Pensions Acts was as follows. The 1973 Act set up an Occupational Pensions Board to ensure all Pensions Scheme Managers introduced the requirements of the Acts by 1975. However the 1975 Pensions Board either didn't know the Armed Forces Pensions Department didn't have a Management Scheme which was a possibility would you believe, despite the abatement to incomes to provide them of course. Or the rules were if you don’t serve for at least 22 years (16 for Officers) otherwise you don’t get an Occupational Pension anyway. Instead of introducing an Armed Forces Occupational Management Scheme the 1973 board more than likely took the “Yes Prime Minister” approach of deciding—Well the Armed Forces don’t have a Management Scheme so we don’t have to both with ensuring they are protected by the 1973 and 1975 Acts! Problem Solved! For the benefits of Federations Members this matter will be covered in my overall report to the new Government after the June 8th General Election of course. This should be available by the middle of July 2017 at the latest.

David Robson,

Secretary General of the Combined Armed Forces Federation CAFF UK

22 May 2017



Members will be aware that the Annual General Meeting is due to take place.

Unfortunately, it is now longer possible for the Secretary General and Treasurer to travel to London, although he continues to work hard on your behalf.​

I am pleased to say that those Reports, together with my Report, will be to hand shortly and, accordingly, the information will be posted on this website, as well as being emailed to you separately.

Please advise if you have changed your email address. Send changes to: Paul Rogers - , Membership Secretary:

Separate correspondence will be sent to those of you who still rely upon traditional postal methods.

As Acting Chairman, I am prepared to meet Members in London, should they find this arrangement unsatisfactory, so long as at least six of you expect to attend.

In the meantime, nominations for any of the official posts are welcome. Those posts are: Chairman, Secretary General, Treasurer, Membership Secretary and Executive Committee Member

I hope this is helpful.

Chris Watkin
Acting Chairman


Best regards

Chris Watkin
Mobile: 07940 877465

27 April 2017


General Election June 8th 2017.

The Combined Armed Forces Federation UK has decided to financially sponsor an Independent full time suitably qualified and experienced Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for the General Election on June 8th 2017.

Proposed by– Chris Watkins– Acting Chairman
Seconded by– David Robson– Secretary General

Ideally Candidates should be 30-40 years of age have at least ten years experience as a regular in the Armed Forces and possess Professional Qualifications in Politics, Accountancy or Law.

Serving personnel can usually obtain immediate release from the Armed Forces which is necessary. Applications including a full C.V. should be forwarded as soon as possible to-

David Robson
Secretary General
34 Raynes Road
PO13 9AL


Yours Sincerely


David Robson Secretary General CAFF UK


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4th April 2017

We need investment, not cuts, for the Armed Forces


Published Mar 31, 2017

UKIP Defence Spokesman Bill Etheridge has slammed a decision by politicians to force the Army to cut £10bn from the defence budget over the next decade calling it "irresponsible and illogical."

Mr Etheridge said the decision to make the Army and the Navy "scrap it out" for funding was "bad government" and "all of our Armed Forces should be properly funded."

"This failed policy of pushing the 'soft power' of foreign aid rather than hard power of a properly defended country is an irresponsible and illogical policy which has not worked so far and will continue to fail.

"Only this week there were rumours that our helicopter carrier HMS Ocean was being sold to Brazil: this is part of 3 Commando brigade which are one of our two brigades who can rapidly deploy to theatre. Are we only going to be left with one?

"Instead of hiding behind this bureaucratic shield that the government are meeting the NATO targets of 2% of GDP we need urgent investment in the military, which the Army's own think tank concluded would be unable to withstand an attack from Russia for longer than an afternoon.

The report by the Centre for Historical Analysis and Conflict Research based at Sandhurst concluded that the UK would be unable to deploy more than a brigade of between 5000 to 10000 troops following the consistent cuts faced by the Armed Forces.

"The government needs to stop blaming Brexit, stop blaming the value of sterling and stop obsessing about ring fencing our foreign aid budget and realise that they need to end this policy of attacking our own defences," Mr Etheridge added.

"The Annual Budget Cycle for 2017 should never have been turned into a fight between the Army and the Navy over who gets funding and I am glad that following last week's briefing, some top brass have finally spoken out.

"Personally I think the cuts that need making are in the political division of the Ministry of Defence: Sir Michael Fallon appears happy to allow his department to take the brunt of the cuts in public spending whilst other departments remain bloated.

"He is not fit for purpose and he should go before he consigns our military to the same fate."

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8th March 2017


Colin Hennem
Pensions Technical Manager
Civil Service Pensions
Cabinet Office
Priestly House
Priestly Road
RG24 9NW

9th March 2017

Dear Colin Hennem,
Government Embezzlement and Misappropriation
of Armed Forces Occupational Pensions Entitlements Pre and Post 1975.

1. Extract PRO 58/88 (Public Records Office) File July 1956, File number CD/36 (N497) Title, Records Administration, Defence Ministry.
2. Letter dated 13th September 1956– Grigg Report on Departmental Records Reference Mr FT Williams Liaison Inspecting Officer for the above Report.

Thank you for your letter dated 9th February 2017 in response to our letter to the Chancellor dated September 2016 to RT. Hon. P Hammond MP.

Our Federation did anticipate we might receive a Civil Service reply to what is an essentially Political question as you will no doubt have noticed.

A similar letter and enclosures were also forwarded to the Prime Minister RT Hon. J. May MP as First Lord of the Treasury. We have received no reply from the Prime Minister to date. A copy of this letter and enclosure will also be forwarded to her for information purposes

What the Prime Minister and her present Government can not deny is that the Government in 1958, following the publication of the Sir James Grigg Report it was decided that there was a requirement to provide parity and Equality for members of the Armed Forces regarding credit and access to Occupational Pensions years of Service when they subsequently became Civil Servants. The Armed Forces are entitled to include their years of Service in the Armed Forces, with those in the Civil Service for Superannuation Pensions purposes.

As you quite correctly point out in your letter’s second paragraph this requirement was never put into practice. More than likely because the Minister of Defence at the time, Mr John Profumo, was pre occupied with chasing prostitutes around Lord Astors swimming pool at Cliveden, Subsequently jumping into bed with them, and dealing with the political scandal which followed. No doubt these requirements were left gathering dust on his desk!

Possibly Dr Reginald Binnett MP for the Garrison Towns of Gosport and Fareham didn't notice these requirements because he was pre occupied as Commodore of the House of Commons Sailing Club. No doubt Sir Peter Viggers MP for Gosport later, didn't notice these requirements either because he was preoccupied with his personal Property Development plans for his ducks!

Since the Armed Forces and Civil service Pension Schemes were separate from one another there was a requirement for legislation to be brought forward to adjust the Civil Service Pensions Scheme to take account of the 1958 requirements. . As you point out this was never put into practice, for the above reasons no doubt. This does not mean the requirements of the Governments intentions to bring about their recommendations in 1958 are no longer applicable of course. Our Federation has been making protests about this deficit since the beginning of the 1990’s when we began to retire and before!

Since the 1990’s in particular subsequent Governments have used every conceivable bureaucratic and economic excuse in order to avoid and deny our total Pension rights as above. At the same time they have forked out billions of Pounds in Foreign Aid and on additional alternative Political adventures for their own re election benefits. For example “This Command is being further studied!”

We take issue with the last paragraph of your letter. There is no way our Pension claims as above can be regarded as retrospective in the Present and Past circumstances in view of the above. Additionally you refer to the public Service Pensions being at Taxpayers expenses. These Pension claims have been paid for by abatement's to incomes during service. All pensions Schemes, Insurance and Assurance, and Savings Schemes etc. must of necessity be subject to Actuary and Demographic variations. All premiums and incomes are adjusted accordingly.

Finally with reference to the copies of the enclosures at the beginning of this letter.

We are wondering whether you have, or are able to if not, obtain copies from the National Archives of any information passed by Mr F.T. Williams from the Records Administration Department to the Grigg Report on Departmental Records which is missing. We should be grateful for any copies or assistance with this matter if you can provide it for us please.

Thanking you for your kind attentions.

Yours Sincerely.

David Robson
Secretary General

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7th February 2017


Letter To Caroline Dinenage MP

Caroline Dinenage MP
House of Commons

February 7th 2017

Dear Caroline Dinenage,

Armed Forces Occupation Pensions entitlements Pre and Post 1975

I replied to your letter dated October 31st 2016 enclosing a copy of PRO 58/88 file title—Records Administration MOD, on November 10th 2016.

I have had no response from you or the Government and its Departments which have been contacted in the meantime. That is with the exception of a letter from you Dated 9th December 2016 with an update on the issue of “Assisted Dying”! This is especially disappointing since I pointed out that due to the present age of our members you were requested to bring these matters to the attention of the Government as a matter of the “Utmost Urgency”. Many of our Members are now in their late 70’s or early 80’s with still nothing to show for their service to this country!

It may be you have been indisposed since October 31st, as I haven’t noticed your appearance at Prime Minister’s Question Time on Television? If this is correct could you please advise me regarding what alternative arrangements MP’s have in place on such occasions.

It may be your Researches have been seeking the outcome of “Records” acquired by the liaison Officer referred to as a Mr E.T. Williams for the Grigg Report Detailed records Department as on the last page of your enclosure PRO 58/88 dated 13th September 1956.

These above Records should indicate and comply with the Records we requested from the MOD and Civil Service personnel Departments you kindly passed on for us recently. That is —-

Those dates and personal details of all Members of the Armed Forces. Royal Navy, Royal Airforce and Military who subsequently became Civil Servants following their Armed Forces Careers.

It may also be that the present Government Department for Work and Pensions, DWP, can also provide these details? In which case could you provide for me a Line Diagram of the present Management structure of the Pensions Department indicating their names and responsibilities please?

It has been noticeable to me regarding Prime Minister’s Questioned Time that despite the otherwise distractions of BREXIT and the other demands upon the Prime Minister at this point in time, that several questions have been raised regarding other non related Pensions Schemes which she has replied to.

Could you please confirm for the benefit of our Federation’s Members they have your assurance you will progress these matters with your utmost urgency.

We shall look forward to your earliest convenient reply.

Thanking you for your kind attention,

Yours Sincerely.

David Robson
Secretary General

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